Of God Arguments that Don’t Hold

Imagine a world where only one human lives, with trees and vast landscapes but no other creatures and certainly not fellow humans. One day this lone human after ages of wondering if others like him exist(ed), he stumbles upon a big book whose pages are blank. And yet in the middle of that book, is a page in which a single letter is inked in black. A letter he recognizes and understands.

That letter is just one tiny thing but it was written by someone and suddenly that means a world of possibilities!

The above scenario has plagued me in my agnosticism and has many times thrown into doubt the wisdom of becoming atheist when deep down I believe that that single letter in the blank book must have been written by someone. That it did not just happen.

So a few days ago, a friend engaged me in a discussion on the above and asked like many people have before, why I am agnostic; basically why I am in doubt about the existence of god(s). And as usual I carelessly pointed out that a world as shitty as this one cannot have a god- at least not one who cares.

And yet one question grew a body and wings even after my friend labeled himself deist and offered the possibility of a god/creator that does not interact with humanity.

Sure in my mind, the possibility of god(s) existing has always been fueled by the question of where we come from and the belief that we must have come from something. What made the first egg that hatched? What made the first chicken that lay that egg? What made us?

Surely it must have been a god! All things that exist must have been created by someone, I thought.

source: http://www.philosophyblog.com.

And yet, that one question came back nagging; who then made the god?

My friend insists that god exists without cause and I find it really strange that the following two claims come from one person:

  1. A god must exist because we and the universe as a whole can’t just have happened
  2. god happened.

It’s like saying “Things can’t just happen, except some things which just happen!”

I mean come on!

 

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The very possibility that a god exists is enough to show that things CAN exist without having been created by any being prior. It’s enough to assert that we have always existed without having been created.

And what if god showed up and proved himself to me, I was asked?

Well, if a being claiming to be god showed up and pulled some amazing sci-fi shit, I wouldn’t believe that being is god- especially not if he added that he’s always been around and he just happened! In fact if he formed a black-hole to swallow a planet as I watched and conjured another planet in the next second, I still wouldn’t call him god. I’d believe he’s an advanced being that can teach us earthlings a lot in science but he’d be no god.

And if he insists he is god and states that we exist because he created us, I will ask him to show me his creator.

If he smites me in anger, he obviously didn’t see that coming; so if he doesn’t know the future, how much of his own past and origins can he know?

If he looks at me patiently and doesn’t answer, it’s just passive god all over again; fun all round and back to square one!

And if he does show me his maker, I will ask that maker who his own maker is.

And it goes on and on and on because there are no gods. Just beings in the universe, some of whom are more advanced than others, but they are not deities.

There are no gods.

Now, whoever knows where a ring starts and where it ends, let him/her tell us about the existence of the first being that was uncaused and is supposedly the cause of all that exists. The rest of us ignorant people will be looking for cures to ailments that actually plague us.

 

 

 

 

 

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6 Comments Add yours

  1. Galaxian says:

    The ring begins and ends at the point where your finger first touches it.

    1. hellenmasido says:

      And the finger complicates everything

  2. kagmi says:

    Thanks for this great post! It really got me thinking.

    I’ve heard a lot of these concepts before, but never arranged quite like this. Frank Herbert used to ask in his own roundabout way “who do the gods worship?” to illustrate how the answer “God did it” doesn’t really answer these questions so much as delaying them.

    I have become quite fascinated in recent years by the question of what separates the “divine” from the “mundane” in human perception. We used to think of gods primarily in terms of power – a god was that which could do something no human could ever hope to.

    But as humans have grown in power, it has become easier and easier to imagine reaching, through purely technological capability, the level that would once have been defined as that of a “god.”

    And yet, it doesn’t feel the same.

    Talking about immensely powerful humans or machines does not feel the same as talking about divinities. Talking about extremely advanced technology does not feel the same as talking about magic. Why?

    Perhaps it is simply that we understand these things. If we understand how a thing works, if we know where it came from, maybe that inherently separates it from the eternal mystery – the unanswerable “why does something exist instead of nothing?”

    So perhaps we are taking the wrong things from those ancient ideas of god. In the old days, much was incomprehensible that we now understand. Now perhaps we spend too much time looking at the superficial trappings – of power of agelessness – while missing the true essence of the mystery.

    It could also be argued that we humans are hilariously overconfident these days, given how powerless 99.9% of us still are in the grand scheme of things.

    But either way – power doesn’t feel like mystery.

    I wonder what mystery is – and if it’s anything more than a neural hack.

    It certainly does interesting things to me.

  3. mclasper says:

    The ‘everything must have a creator’ argument is most commonly referred to as the cosmological argument, but it commits the begging the question fallacy.
    “Everything has to have a cause”
    “The cause of the universe just so happens to be MY God!”
    “God doesn’t need a cause”
    Why does God get a free pass? If everything needs a cause then surely divine being would need one too. If the religious are happy to believe in a non-caused deity, then I am happy to believe in a non-caused universe. I can demonstrate that the universe exists, can you demonstrate that your deity exists?

    1. hellenmasido says:

      “I can demonstrate that the universe exists, can you demonstrate that your deity exists?”
      Veeeery fair point!

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